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Post by daveshn on May 27, 2007 20:44:11 GMT -6
Discuss which of the pokemon from generations 1-3 (not counting new evolutions of them) benefited the most from DP. Whether it's from acceptance of TMs and new TMs and HMs, the attack formula, new moves, or anything else.
I think the one who benefited the most is charizard. Like many other fire types, it now has solar beam and will-o-wisp. This helps get rid of rock and water pokemon and saves it from rock attacks. Since will-o-wisp cuts physical strength in half (and ancient power, the only special rock move, sucks) chaizard doesn't have to worry about its 4x weakness to rock moves because a majority of rock move users are physical sweepers. Plus, if sunny day is in affect, not only will water moves have their damage cut, solarbeam will attack in one turn, and thunder will only have a 50% base accuracy.
If it's following a groudon, no one changes the weather, and has will-o-wisp and solar beam, then it's biggest worry for the whole match is thunderbolt.
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Post by Banov on May 30, 2007 12:22:47 GMT -6
Gengar sure is a happy camber; both sludge bomb and shadow ball are now special, meaning he now has a really slick STAB moveset going for him.
Tyranitar gained crunch, though, and sandstorms now give a 50% special defense boost to rock types- and since he makes one automatically when he coems out, he's even more impervious than before. I've no real experience in training ttar, though.
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Post by daveshn on May 31, 2007 4:50:54 GMT -6
Yeah, t-tar is more of RAZEK's department.
So, how 'bout it, RAZEK? A lot of talk says t-tar should be considered uber now. Do you think it should be?
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Post by Banov on May 31, 2007 14:12:59 GMT -6
For the record, can we talk also about pokemon that have gotten WORSE, or maybe have had to adapt?
I'm thinking of pokemon you used to depend on shadow ball and lost 10 base power to use shadow claw; or even worse, can't learn any good ghost attacks now. Zangoose and kecleon are sort of okay using shadow claw now, but my beloved miltank has been lowered to the point of having to use 'Zen Headbutt,' a psychic attack. It can still hit ghosts, but not for much. But nowadays, with the rise of gengar (I've already 2 people suing it, not including myself) a psychic move may still be a tleast somehwta useful for hitting ghosts.
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Post by RAZEK on May 31, 2007 14:17:11 GMT -6
I hope not. DD-tar is one of my favorite combos to use. And he gets thrown into the uber list, I won't be able to use him anymore.
I really have not seen that many people online use tyranitar. So I beleive is not that over used. But that is just my view on it.
Wasn't it you 2 guys that recommended me to use DD-tar combo on netbattle? Because I don't remember coming up with that combo by myself.
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Post by Banov on May 31, 2007 14:22:07 GMT -6
If it was my idea, I did it because everybody seemed to do that with tyranitar and it worked. I'm not sure if ttar is uber yet though, because he's lost some power too- the physical/special divide means that even though special attacks don't do much to him anymore, a physical move of a supereffective type is still really effective- aqua tail, for instance. And fighting attacks with their x4 advantage still tend to do a good deal of damage.
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Post by bigbboy on Jun 1, 2007 10:51:53 GMT -6
Crobat, as I've pointed out before, lost not only it's physical STAB Sludge Bomb, but it also lost the physical Shadow Ball. What did it get for physical STAB in return? It got... Cross Poison, a truly bittersweet present. 70 power, with the only upside being that it might critical once in a while. Oh, he also got a Brave Bird that has to be bred in. Sure, he also got Zen Headbutt, but it's no Shadow Ball, and never will be. In the end, Crobat was basically neutered by the split.
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Post by Banov on Jun 1, 2007 16:54:56 GMT -6
Oh, man... I'm sorry, BB ;-;
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Post by daveshn on Jun 1, 2007 17:56:33 GMT -6
Wasn't it you 2 guys that recommended me to use DD-tar combo on netbattle? Because I don't remember coming up with that combo by myself. Wasn't me. You had that up before I got Windows installed on my Mac. Hmmm, the pokemon who got it the worst would actually be Mew. If for no other reason then people having to remake their movepool for it completely. Think about it, you trained it and gave it all those nice TMs and turtored moves back in RSEFRLG and now you got to give it new ones and dig up some heart scales just to get a new, good moveset to match your EV spread.
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Post by Banov on Jun 2, 2007 15:38:18 GMT -6
Are you kidding? Yeah, you have to change its moves, but at least it still has moves it can use. Just about every pokemon has a different moveset now and haveot be accounted for. The ones like crobat who don't have any moves they can use effectively anymore are the ones hit the hardest.
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Post by daveshn on Jun 3, 2007 16:28:27 GMT -6
Perhapse. Still, it's a pain.
Anywho, about gengar, the new set is probably going to be: focus blast - shadow ball - sludge bomb - destiny bond.
Two STABs, focus blast for steel types, and destiny bond to take them out when gengar is almost dead.
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Post by Banov on Jun 4, 2007 13:48:12 GMT -6
What type is focus blast? I don't know much about new attacks, so I went with thunderbolt instead. So far that's given me no trouble.
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Post by RAZEK on Jun 4, 2007 14:24:33 GMT -6
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Post by Banov on Jun 4, 2007 18:18:02 GMT -6
I prefer thunderbolt's 100% accuracy. Maybe it doesn't hit for super effective, but it works.
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Post by daveshn on Jun 5, 2007 4:24:29 GMT -6
You're lookin at some serious trouble from steelixes that know crunch, Banov. Getting focus blast is as simple as buying the TM from the shopping center.
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