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Post by Emily Pink on Nov 5, 2009 17:38:55 GMT -6
I know I know a verses thread bad idea BUT! I think this needs to be settled... We don't know for sure. Like I said, we will find out later. I know I'm wrong but just an idea. I can see that nothing can stop Brendan from getting a Gym badge. Kind of like Ash, except that Brendan has more skill and is a better Pokemon Trainer than Ash. WHAT?Ash's Sceptile, Charizard, Snorlax, Muk, Staraptor and hell, even Pikachu would easily beat Brendan's pokémon if they had a battle. Ash has way more experience than Brendan, and even though he is a dumb crackbaby, he is a genius when it comes to battling. Brendan wouldn't stand a chance against him. Um have you ever seen that show, Ash has NEVER beaten a gym leader the first time he fought them and even the ones he did get a badge from the first time usually only gave it to him out of pity for how insanely terrible he is... Also Ash has this nasty little habit of abandoning his pokemon and getting new ones to "start over" hell that's not even the same pikachu anymore.... (I have a whole theory about that  ) though to be fair he could probably scare Brendan away by pulling out his pikachu xD Still Ash SUCKS we all know it even he knows it.... Ash is no battling genius he's an idiot who can barely handle his own balls er pokeballs, Brendan may be a new trainer but he's way better at it... Ok I have way more to say on this... I'mmma go make a topic about it in PX discussion forum so we don't muck up this place with off topicness if you wanna reply to what I've said here do it there...  Now that you're up to speed on that I want to lay some ground rules to this discussion... 1. Let just assume for this bout that Ash is at the same point in his adventure as Brendan currently is just to make it as fair as possible 2. please no "ASH SUXOR LULZ" or anything lets please have some intelligent reasons... |
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Post by swimming95 on Nov 5, 2009 19:35:07 GMT -6
nice thread... I think you should add an option for neither XD and I like brendan better mostly for rocky and he actually has a brain (despite its lack of use)
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Post by Cogsworth on Nov 5, 2009 19:48:19 GMT -6
Ash took down a Geodude with a Pikachu. He just warps reality so that he can win.
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Post by SeriousJupiter on Nov 6, 2009 2:21:45 GMT -6
Um have you ever seen that show, Ash has NEVER beaten a gym leader the first time he fought them and even the ones he did get a badge from the first time usually only gave it to him out of pity for how insanely terrible he is... I repeat, WHAT?That's all in the distant past! Gym Leaders haven't given Ash a Badge out of pity for ages, he has won them all fair and square for years! (Well, his battle with Maylene was a draw, but that's the only Sinnoh exception.) He lost to Roark, Gardenia and Fantina the first time he battled them, sure, but he beat Wake, Byron and Candice on his first try. They didn't give him a Badge because he was so "insanely terrible". Why would Gym Leaders give Badges to insanely terrible trainers? Also Ash has this nasty little habit of abandoning his pokemon and getting new ones to "start over" hell that's not even the same pikachu anymore.... (I have a whole theory about that ) though to be fair he could probably scare Brendan away by pulling out his pikachu xD Once again, WHAT?Ash is not Paul! He has only ever "abandoned" his pokémon for very good reasons. - Butterfree = Ash let him go so he could live happily ever after with the female Butterfree he loved. - Haunter = Ash never actually caught it, he just "borrowed" it. He left Haunter with Sabrina, because that's what Haunter wanted. - Primeape = An experienced Fighting-type pokémon trainer asked Ash to let him train it, so it could become a real champion. I must say, Ash did foolishly when he agreed, because: 1) Primeape was already a champion after winning the P1 Grand Prix 2) Primeape had just learned to obey him But still, Ash thought it was for the best, so he didn't really abandon Primeape. (Though it couldn't hurt to go visit it sometimes... Little twerp.) - Pidgeot = Ash left Pidgeot to protect the Pidgey and Pidgeotto of the forest from evil Spearow and Fearow. However, he promised to come back and get it... That never happened... I can't really defend Ash on this one. - Lapras = Ash released Lapras, because he had found its school and Lapras wanted to be with its family. Later they met again, so it's not like Ash ever forgot about Lapras completely. Then there's Beedrill and Larvitar. Ash probably didn't want to keep his Beedrill because of his bad experiences with various Beedrill in the past, so he gave it to Casey. He never actually caught Larvitar, so he let it stay with its mother. (I would've done the same too - if a frickin' Tyranitar wants her baby back, I'm not gonna argue!) Also, what the hell? Not the same Pikachu any more? WTF? Still Ash SUCKS we all know it even he knows it.... Ash is no battling genius he's an idiot who can barely handle his own balls er pokeballs, Brendan may be a new trainer but he's way better at it. Ash sucks in many ways, but he is NOT a bad trainer. He usually comes up with brilliant strategies when there's a tight spot during his battles. In the comic it's kinda hard to do things like that, so Brendan wins his battles mainly because his pokémon are stronger than his opponents'. But if Ash and Brendan had a battle, Ash would win with both hands tied behind his back. Let just assume for this bout that Ash is at the same point in his adventure as Brendan currently is just to make it as fair as possible. In that case, I'd say that Brendan and Ash are quite evenly matched. When Ash started as a Trainer, he was quite, to use your phrase, insanely terrible. However, Brendan is not exactly a world-class trainer either. Yet. So if I really had to make a choice between Ash and Brendan, I'd pick Ash. He's an idiot, he's immune to pretty girls and he never seems to grow up, but there's one thing about him and that's all that really matters. He's a good trainer. |
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Post by The Dark Fiddler on Nov 6, 2009 5:00:02 GMT -6
Once again, WHAT?Ash is not Paul! He has only ever "abandoned" his pokémon for very good reasons. - Butterfree = Ash let him go so he could live happily ever after with the female Butterfree he loved. - Haunter = Ash never actually caught it, he just "borrowed" it. He left Haunter with Sabrina, because that's what Haunter wanted. - Primeape = An experienced Fighting-type pokémon trainer asked Ash to let him train it, so it could become a real champion. I must say, Ash did foolishly when he agreed, because: 1) Primeape was already a champion after winning the P1 Grand Prix 2) Primeape had just learned to obey him But still, Ash thought it was for the best, so he didn't really abandon Primeape. (Though it couldn't hurt to go visit it sometimes... Little twerp.) - Pidgeot = Ash left Pidgeot to protect the Pidgey and Pidgeotto of the forest from evil Spearow and Fearow. However, he promised to come back and get it... That never happened... I can't really defend Ash on this one. - Lapras = Ash released Lapras, because he had found its school and Lapras wanted to be with its family. Later they met again, so it's not like Ash ever forgot about Lapras completely. Then there's Beedrill and Larvitar. Ash probably didn't want to keep his Beedrill because of his bad experiences with various Beedrill in the past, so he gave it to Casey. He never actually caught Larvitar, so he let it stay with its mother. (I would've done the same too - if a frickin' Tyranitar wants her baby back, I'm not gonna argue!) Also, what the hell? Not the same Pikachu any more? WTF? I think Rick was referring to how every season he drops his Pokemon - the ones he's supposedly best friends with - off at Oak's. |
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Post by swimming95 on Nov 6, 2009 5:02:40 GMT -6
I think so as well and personally I think the only reason for it was so that new comers to the show don't feel like they missed out on the backstories of the pokemon (same with misty, dawn and may)
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Post by SeriousJupiter on Nov 6, 2009 5:03:04 GMT -6
I think Rick was referring to how every season he drops his Pokemon - the ones he's supposedly best friends with - off at Oak's. So? He can only have six pokémon with him, and leaving his pokémon at his Daddy's lab is definitely not abandoning them. |
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Post by Cogsworth on Nov 6, 2009 9:22:34 GMT -6
I think Rick was referring to how every season he drops his Pokemon - the ones he's supposedly best friends with - off at Oak's. So? He can only have six pokémon with him, and leaving his pokémon at his Daddy's lab is definitely not abandoning them. 1. There is no evidence that Oak is his father. 2. That is actually a smart strategy because it helps the trainer learn about new pokemon each time. That and its an excuse to get the new pokemon of the region so that the they can sell more merchendice. 3. Ash did thing that are not pissible. EVER. 3a. Taking down a Geodude with Pikachu. Alone 3b. "Pikachu! The Horn!" 3c. ThunderArmor 3d. Teaching Pikachu a move that can only be learnt by breeding. |
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Post by The Dark Fiddler on Nov 6, 2009 18:21:27 GMT -6
Didn't say I agreed with him, just pointing out what I thought he meant.
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Post by SeriousJupiter on Nov 7, 2009 5:34:50 GMT -6
1. There is no evidence that Oak is his father. 2. That is actually a smart strategy because it helps the trainer learn about new pokemon each time. That and its an excuse to get the new pokemon of the region so that the they can sell more merchendice. 3. Ash did thing that are not pissible. EVER. 3a. Taking down a Geodude with Pikachu. Alone 3b. "Pikachu! The Horn!" 3c. ThunderArmor 3d. Teaching Pikachu a move that can only be learnt by breeding. 1. Sure, they haven't mentioned it in the show, but I think it's pretty clear. But let's not argue about this right now. 2. I agree. Ash wants to get to know as many pokémon as possible, and that's why he keeps switching them. 3a. That's anime for you. 3b. Yeah, that makes no sense. 3c. That was actually pretty cool. I wish you could do it in the games. 3d. Ash didn't teach it, Pikachu learned Volt Tackle all by itself. Didn't say I agreed with him, just pointing out what I thought he meant. Oh, right. |
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Post by Cogsworth on Nov 7, 2009 7:37:36 GMT -6
Pikachu! The Horn! was his command to Pikachu to aim for the horn of the Ryhorn he was fighting against. It worked.
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Post by SeriousJupiter on Nov 7, 2009 7:54:00 GMT -6
I know that. And it was Rhydon Pikachu was battling against.
And you misspelled Rhyhorn.
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Post by Cogsworth on Nov 7, 2009 9:07:24 GMT -6
ok. ok. and ok.
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Post by Gooman on Nov 7, 2009 17:30:40 GMT -6
I say Ash... simply because, in my opinion, uber pikachu > uber Mighteyena.
If Ash was at Brendan's current state of time spent traveling, then both would be fairly horrible strategists. Brendan gets an edge because he's better at type-picking, but Ash has an advantage in his ability to come up with plans so crazy they have to work.
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Post by DemonicChocobo on Nov 8, 2009 0:58:08 GMT -6
I think Ash is a much better battler than you guys take him for. He has a tendency to use Pokemon that are weak against the opponent's type, but still come out victorious due to clever tricks he pulls off. Seriously, the way he improvises various moves to completely turn a match around requires at least SOME level of strategy. As silly as...say..."PICHAKU AIM FOR DA HORN!!!11" is, he knew to do it, and came out victorious because of it. Another example of Ash's cleverness is when he had Pikachu electrify his own Swellow to create an entirely new move in which his Pikachu and Swellow were coated in an electrical armor. He even developed a series of techniques that can be applied to a variety of situations and allow his Pokemon to not only defend themselves but immediately counterattack. |
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We don't know for sure. Like I said, we will find out later. I know I'm wrong but just an idea. I can see that nothing can stop Brendan from getting a Gym badge. Kind of like Ash, except that Brendan has more skill and is a better Pokemon Trainer than Ash.
) though to be fair he could probably scare Brendan away by pulling out his pikachu xD
