|
Post by Gooman on Nov 14, 2009 13:16:00 GMT -6
My pokemon are usally bulky enough to take down Spinda, confusion or not. I usually use a Hariama against Slaking.
|
|
|
Post by SeriousJupiter on Nov 14, 2009 13:19:17 GMT -6
I've never had trouble with Spinda either, but his Slaking are killers in Ruby.
|
|
missingno.
Pokémon Champion
50%
I'm not dead yet.
Posts: 1,271
|
Post by missingno. on Nov 15, 2009 1:40:37 GMT -6
Spinda? It's Slaking Vigoroth Slaking.
|
|
|
Post by SeriousJupiter on Nov 15, 2009 5:46:45 GMT -6
FYI, he has different pokémon in Emerald.
|
|
|
Post by Jafar on Nov 15, 2009 6:32:43 GMT -6
Gym leaders interest me more than most other things in Pokemon. Now to my personal experiences with them...
Starting with which gym leader I most admire, it has always been Flannery. First it was probably only for looks, but each thing she said in-game inspired me, in particular passionate statements like "I love Pokemon! I love to battle! And... I love this gym!" I personally found her transition from uncertain in the first battle to confident and assured in the rematches to be an indicator of common maturation which teenagers strive to achieve.
Coincidentally, my most memorable and challenging gym battle was my first match against Flannery. Up to that point I had won every battle and thought that Flannery would not be much of a challenge, and I beat her first three Pokemon with Kirlia and Numel. If Numel could beat Camerupt, then certainly it could beat Torkoal. I was wrong. Torkoal gutted my entire team, taking down Numel, Kirlia, Aron, Lombre and Swellow with its Overheats and Body Slams. Only by sacrificing Grovyle to revive Numel did I scrape a win, and that required a Magnitude 10 as well.
Since the only game I have played is Emerald my scope of leaders is thin, and I like them all, but the most annoying battle was against Wattson. It is very tedious to fight Wattson's Magneton with Grovyle's Rock Smash, but after ten minutes and countless potions it worked. Manectric was just as bad, requiring some serious strategy (Calm Mind to stifle Shock Wave, Double Team to stifle Quick Attack) and luck on my Kirlia's part.
I have never lost to a gym leader, but all eight Hoenn leaders have at some point given me a serious challenge, and I always have my spirits lifted when they call for a rematch.
|
|
|
Post by SeriousJupiter on Nov 15, 2009 7:01:01 GMT -6
Wow, Venomfrog, you have some great opinions and you make good points. I agree, Flannery really matures over the Emerald game, and she becomes a serious Gym Leader. I have never lost to her in any game, but still, she is a tough opponent - definitely not just a sex object.
Although, I can't help but giggle to what she says after you beat her in Emerald rematches: "Whew! On the verge of eruption!" Lol, I always laugh when she says it.
Anyway, it's good to have one more serious Flannery fan here. Welcome to the forums, Venomfrog!
|
|
|
Post by Jafar on Nov 15, 2009 7:10:35 GMT -6
Thank you for the welcome, SeriousJupiter. I also laugh at the eruption quote, too.
On the topic of Norman (discussion topic before my post), I never had much trouble with him. The first time I got lucky because when Slaking was preparing Counter my Aron bowled it over in one hit with a critical hit, fifth-turn, Hard Stone-boosted Rollout. The other two times I played through Emerald I used one of two of the only Pokemon who learn Protect by that stage: Pelipper and Torkoal. I said, "Who cares about Facade?", loosed the Toxic and protected myself until Slaking fell. That may not seem very fun, but if a player has Protect then it is perfectly fine to use it, and if I did not do that I would have lost.
His Spinda, though, gave me more than a few problems, and when I finally figured out that Safeguard would be a good idea, the Pokemon I had use it (Swablu) got hit hard by Facade.
On the topic of other leaders, I found Tate and Liza to be the most challenging in rematches. Their Claydol got two Ancientpower boosts and then proceeded to destroy me until Torkoal, who I caught because of Flannery and who has been my best Pokemon at the Battle Frontier, took it out with Flamethrower because their Solrock used Sunny Day.
The main reason the twins are tough is, of course, their double battle strategy. Claydol can basically use Earthquake at will since all of the others float or fly, and the Hypno and Slowking in the rematches use Protect. In my opinion, the double battle Gym Leader concept was a great one which should be reused should further generations of Pokemon be released.
|
|
|
Post by SeriousJupiter on Nov 15, 2009 7:26:05 GMT -6
Yeah, Tate and Liza are really tough. In fact, the first time I battled them in Emerald, they destroyed me. I couldn't do a thing - their teamwork and combinations were too much for me and my pokémon. My Blaziken, Ludicolo, Exploud, Skarmory, Solrock and Sealeo were all no match to their powerful attacks.
And this is the most humiliating part - after my pathetic loss, my best friend took my game and beat the crap out of Tate and Liza with the same pokémon that I had failed to win with!
I'll never, EVER forget that day as long as I live.
|
|
|
Post by The Dark Fiddler on Nov 15, 2009 8:52:50 GMT -6
I have to say that I think Hoenn's gyms are the toughest of the bunch.
I usually don't have any problems in Kanto (except maybe Sabrina in Gen I, but can you really blame me there). Claire's a bit difficult in Johto since I almost never catch any new Pokemon after the second or third gym, so no Ice or Dragon, and everybody hates Whitney and her evil Mootank. Sinnoh was pretty easy all around.
But Hoenn... Roxxane's Nosepass can be difficult if you didn't grind a bit or focus mostly on your starter/Shroomish. Brawly just always seems to be several levels ahead of me when I fight him. At least in Emerald you can always beat him as long as you just get a Sableye. As long as you had a Ground/Fighting/Fire type to take care of Magnemite/Magneton, Watson wasn't too bad. Flannery is a bit tougher; her Torkoal is really annoying. Norman is hell is R/S with his two Slaking, and a bit easier in Emerald. Slaking's still annoying, though, and so is Vigoroth. Winona is, for the most part, easy. A Pokemon with a strong Thunderbolt can pretty much sweep her, except for Altaria, and an Ice Beam will deal quadruple damage to it. I don't know why, but Tate and Liza's Lunatone and Solrock always managed to bring me down to my last Pokemon back in R/S. Never got up to them in Emerald yet. Wallace is pretty easy; just some electric and some grass, and he's done for. I've never fought Juan, but he only looks a bit tougher; with his Kingdra and all.
|
|
|
Post by Cogsworth on Nov 15, 2009 8:57:28 GMT -6
Welcome Venomfrog. I hate Tate and Liza as well. On one hand, there are rock pokemon in the gym, so you'd think it would be easy. Otherhand, its hard.
And Wattson is bad as well. If I go with either Treeko or Tourchic, I always have a problem because apparentlle Ground pokemon aren't immune to Electric Attacks......damn Aron.
|
|
|
Post by Jafar on Nov 15, 2009 8:58:15 GMT -6
Juan's Kingdra is very annoying for two reasons: Double Team and Rest. Water Pokemon do fine since they resist both Water Pulse and Ice Beam, but they need some non-Water attack.
I beat Kingdra the first time with Ludicolo by expending every Ice Beam and Giga Drain on it; I had to take it down with a Rain Dance-boosted Surf when its HP was at the brink. I never got to him the second time since the game file expired after Winona. The third time, I used a Shedinja.
Shedinja against Juan? Is that not cheating? Not in my opinion. Shedinja is a very difficult Pokemon to train and using it in the Frontier is near impossible. Also, Double Team + Rest nearly caused my Shedinja to run out of PP. I had to use an Ether; otherwise Struggle would have taken out the bug, and a +6 evasion Kingdra with a healing move is not a daisy.
Overall, Juan is only a bit tougher than Wallace. Winona can be tough if the Ice Beam user has mediocre Special Attack and cannot take Altaria's Dragon Dance-boosted attacks. I agree that all of the Hoenn leaders can beat an unprepared team.
EDIT:
@ KunsinagiKenshin: Aron does have trouble with Wattson; Magneton's Shock Wave hits regardless of Mud-Slap and hits hard, and Mud-Slap does not even do enough damage. I have heard countless reports of Aron users struggling to beat Wattson.
|
|
|
Post by SeriousJupiter on Nov 15, 2009 9:15:29 GMT -6
And Wattson is bad as well. If I go with either Treeko or Tourchic, I always have a problem because apparentlle Ground pokemon aren't immune to Electric Attacks......damn Aron. Ground-type pokémon are immune to Electric-type attacks, but Aron is not a Ground-type.
|
|
|
Post by Cogsworth on Nov 15, 2009 9:17:53 GMT -6
Got Rock and Ground confused for a second. I always think Rock were immune to Electric.
|
|
|
Post by SeriousJupiter on Nov 15, 2009 9:24:31 GMT -6
I used to think so too when I was eight. Anyway, Wattson really is a pain in the neck in Emerald. His damn Manectric is a mutant! A MUTANT, I TELL YOU! It's level 24, even though Electrike evolve at level 26!
|
|
|
Post by Cogsworth on Nov 15, 2009 9:26:39 GMT -6
I think next time I play through with a diffrent starter, I'll just train up a Geodude and use them.
Thats what I really like about Mudkip. They are immune to Electric attacks and get Ground attacks and can easily destroy Wattson.
|
|