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Post by daveshn on Jan 10, 2010 0:04:52 GMT -6
I've glanced through the SPAM lounge on occasion and I noticed that it's become the entire General Discussion section of the forum. Where as, normally, a new thread is created for a topic talked about for several days, weeks, or even months, a variety of topics get discussed in the lounge, but are immediately dropped when a new point comes up. New threads should be made that focus on each topic so we can have multiple discussions at once instead of just the one or two we address in each post.
Now, I know it's fun to post a random message every now and then. However, that's not exactly appealing to a newcomer who sees this humongous thread and thinks it's a big discussion, only to find out that it's full of random tangents that don't go together at all. Conversely, think how that newcomer would feel if he/she looked in the General Discussion section and saw numerous threads that had all been posted in on that day. He/She would browse and quickly find discussions that interest him/her and we would have a new, very active member on the spot.
However, the thread's inconveniences aren't limited to newcomers alone. Current members who want to continue talking about a particular topic have to deal with them too. If the member is involved in the discussion of choice in the SPAM lounge and he/she goes away from his/her computer for a day or two, the member might come back and find that, not only is the discussion on a brand new topic, but that so many pages have been added, he/she can't find the last post about his topic of interest. I personally stopped coming to the General Discussion section for months because of that. I just don't see a point in talking about anything when it's just going to disappear after a day or two in this thread.
Right now, on page 847 and 848 of the SPAM lounge, members are talking about different hair cuts and Simpsons v. Futurama v. Family Guy v. Cleveland Show v American Dad. Both of those topics would make excellent threads on their own and I fail to see why they should be discarded as SPAM.
So, please, for the sake of new members, yourselves and your fellow members, and all around intelligent discussion, let's get rid of the SPAM lounge and start having actual conversations in real threads.
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Post by panda on Jan 10, 2010 0:51:49 GMT -6
I vote no because every forum needs a Spam Thread, even if it does have some drawbacks.
besides if there was no spam lounge I'd think someone else would try to make it, or the spam would leak into other threads because of a lack to go somewhere random and get something random off your chest.
Also, having everything in their own thread wastes time and is hard to keep track on, which is another thing the spam lounge is for.
If new-comers don't want to post there, that's just fine, they can always ask in a seperate thread, there's bound to be someone to help them with their question/problem.
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Post by Nintendoowned on Jan 10, 2010 0:55:30 GMT -6
Wouldn't it be better to keep all of the small random discussions that only last a few posts in the spam lounge anyway, instead of giving them their own threads? Besides, the spam lounge is getting slower now, as people are bringing in forum games to take the focus off it.
As for the case of an important topic that a user wants to discuss, they are allowed to create a thread, as has happened before. Its also a good place for new members to get to know other members, or to get known by other members, after they get their post in the introduction thread.
Not only that, but the Spam lounge is a good place to have the small concerns or queries a user might have, that don't need another thread. eg. the famous "should I start an LP/fanfic?" that has been asked in the spam lounge numerous times.
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Post by chaoman45 on Jan 10, 2010 1:52:25 GMT -6
I can't believe how much daveshn and I agree on this. Personally I really had nothing against the Spam Lounge. Yeah, if you went to my question thread I've been giving it some negative remarks; however, nothing against it in general. I wouldn't mind if you guys kept it on the forums, but when you talk about things that can go to other threads, it gets slightly annoying. So if you guys PROMISE to detract attention away from the Spam Lounge, I'll vote "no" in this poll. If you choose to flood more crap that merits their own threads, then I regretfully would have to vote "yes". Onto points brought up in this thread. Right now, on page 847 and 848 of the SPAM lounge, members are talking about different hair cuts and Simpsons v. Futurama v. Family Guy v. Cleveland Show v American Dad. Both of those topics would make excellent threads on their own and I fail to see why they should be discarded as SPAM. I’m going to base my reasoning off of observations. They see the Spam Lounge as anything goes and very few restrictions are placed upon it, meaning it will generate more views and posts. I’ve heard from some that the reason they’re reluctant to post new threads is because “hey, the Spam Lounge = more views and more attention to what I have to say. Screw new threads!” The Spam Lounge is the new GD, as you pointed out earlier. In all, the hopes that the Spam Lounge gets more attention is the reason why people don’t make as many new topics. I vote no because every forum needs a Spam Thread, even if it does have some drawbacks. But why does the local spam centre need to be the Spam Lounge? Just because we want to close this one doesn’t mean we won’t ever have a Spam Lounge again. Wouldn't it be better to keep all of the small random discussions that only last a few posts in the spam lounge anyway, instead of giving them their own threads? Not always. One of the biggest uses of the Spam Lounge was to post nonsensical remarks and rehashed memes like “ITZ OVR 9000 LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL KADSJHADSJHADSJHADSJADSHGADSKJDSAJASJFAAK” or something useless. Some of the recent topics every time I go in can be placed within its own topic and be discussed to an extent. People are avoiding something (creating new threads) based off of an assumption and it’s really starting to irk me. So what do I think should happen? Make a monthly/seasonal/bi-annual spam thread like the CAD forum does to retain the spam in one place but making sure it doesn’t get too big. It’s a good place to insert short and sweet inquiries or comments yet you have the sanity and patience to post outside of the realms of one particular spam thread.
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Post by Emily Pink on Jan 10, 2010 1:53:22 GMT -6
Kill it! Kill it now! The other forums are laughing at us because of it LAUGHING!! Well I don't know if thats really true but I think that filthy pit of slime has had it's run and it's about time it was taken down so we can all move on and stop wasting so much time there... Not always. One of the biggest uses of the Spam Lounge was to post nonsensical remarks and rehashed memes like “ITZ OVR 9000 LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL KADSJHADSJHADSJHADSJADSHGADSKJDSAJASJFAAK” or something useless. Hey I had a perfectly valid reason for doing that over 9000 bit... Kinda.... >_>
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Post by panda on Jan 10, 2010 2:43:05 GMT -6
I don't really see as to how things like Simpsons v. Futurama v. Family Guy v. Cleveland Show v American Dad should have a thread of it's own as it's got the same properties as spam. Shutting it down just to open another one is pointless and adds up to the amount of thread already in the General Discussion. The games that just came in are slowing down the Spam lounge, so it doesn't really need this debate thread. Also I find it very ironic that the person who saved the Spam lounge the last time may hinder it to it's end. No offence, Chao.
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Post by chaoman45 on Jan 10, 2010 2:52:56 GMT -6
I don't really see as to how things like Simpsons v. Futurama v. Family Guy v. Cleveland Show v American Dad should have a thread of it's own as it's got the same properties as spam. Perhaps a poll on which is better, much like how the Futurama Appreciation thread that didn't get enough appreciation and at one point was a discussion on why Family Guy was inferior to it. The games that just came in are slowing down the Spam lounge, so it doesn't really need this debate thread. It's still pretty active though. Maybe not as active as five months ago, but apparently more active than others want it to be.
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Post by chaoman45 on Jan 10, 2010 2:58:06 GMT -6
Also I find it very ironic that the person who saved the Spam lounge the last time may hinder it to it's end. No offence, Chao. Hey, I still hold pretty much the same regard to it as I did a year ago. Back then I didn't like it too much and today I don't like it too much. Today, I'm not saying tear it down, daveshn and Rick are. I'm neutral, remember? So I guess no offense taken seeing as there wasn't anything ironic or offensive about it.
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Post by panda on Jan 10, 2010 3:16:55 GMT -6
I guess people are just too shy to make new thread without fearing they'd get in trouble and have it locked.
that happened to me when I made the Ball Joke lounge was it? and that I feared I was gonna get into trouble for.
I asked people in the spam lounge one time if I should make a Q & A Thread involving Mew and Mewtwo, and the members there at the time said the spam lounge is just fine enough for that.
right now I'm at a state of fear where I don't want to post, I don't want to make threads, cause in my opinion I fear the mods or recon banning me,-even though the mods do not have the power to ban- but the spam lounge is just fine cause you can say just about anything in there except for racial stuff and swearing- and we all know not to post that stuff- without worries.
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Post by chaoman45 on Jan 10, 2010 3:35:08 GMT -6
Panda, only two types of threads would be locked the most: the stupid ones and the ones that instigate rule violations. I think the only reason the Ball joke lounge one was locked was because it emulated the elements brought on by the Spam Lounge.
I'm still not sure why you think you're going to get in trouble when a thread is locked or you're going to get banned. You're not that bad of a member and I don't think even a few locked threads will merit a ban. For proof? Take a look at those who are banned or who risked banishment the most. THEY did something to earn it. The only way you'll get banned on the spot is if you post porn (not ecchi, actual porn) and you really don't seem like the person who would do that.
The biggest risk of a banhammer was with missingno. Remember how he became the forum pariah after all of his crap topics and supposed trolling? Remember how he did this for months without a ban and was given a warn level instead? If you're wondering why he's not banned it's because he pulled a 180 before it was too late, much like you did after people kept telling you not to spam. In no way have your threads deserved any form of disciplinary action other than maybe the typical lock.
Now, if you're worried or fearing the mods because of previous actions involving me, then I apologise. I'll admit I flew off the handle a few times but never intended to instill any long-term fear into you. You're FAR from even having to worry about a ban and I don't think anybody has said anything negative about you in a long time. You're a forum regular, so sit back and have fun. Post within reason. we're all friends here.
I can still see your reasoning behind wanting to keep it open, though.
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Post by panda on Jan 10, 2010 4:18:49 GMT -6
Oh and by the way, I can never promise, but I'll try to detract attention away from it.
In fact, I hardly post in it anymore for lack of posting.
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Post by Zombie Clown on Jan 10, 2010 5:24:39 GMT -6
:/ I voted no mainly cause it has had it's run and it's drawing all the life from other topics cause all it takes is someone to mention it in the spam lounge, and poof there goes that topic,thats mainly why i don't use it, because as it has been said it is a general discussion it's self
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Post by Cabi.net on Jan 10, 2010 9:50:33 GMT -6
I voted yes. All good things must come to an end.
The reason I think the spam lounge should be closed is because (as said before) it stops new threads from starting. I opened a few threads that got barely any attention until I mentioned it in the spam lounge.
It also kills off other threads. Recently some people (including me) have announced that they have a new signature of avatar in the spam lounge instead of digging up the sig and avatar thread buried under other topics.
I think its about time we were weaned off the spam lounge. But only if we are alloud to go off topic in other threads (To an extent, for example if the thread is about which cheese you like best talking about your pets would be a bit of a strech). Before if you went off topic you would be told to 'take it to the spam lounge' and that annoys me. Many other forums allow the members to go a bit off topic. But with the spam lounge there it prevents it.
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Post by swimming95 on Jan 10, 2010 10:20:50 GMT -6
I voted no because it is a nice place to just talk randomly... and considering none of you are EVER on the irc, it is sort of the irc of the forum XD
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Post by Gooman on Jan 10, 2010 10:25:21 GMT -6
I would just like to say: 1. I am with Chao on this. I'm neutral to it staying open, and I do acknowlege that it may stifle new threads. 2. When I created the Spam Lounge, I thought that it may have hit 20 pages in two months, not a week. The effect it had when combined with the members of this forum was complely unforeseen. 3. AT LEAST let it hit 900 pages before you close it, if you do. I have already compiled some milestones on the thread- hitting every hundred pages and thousand posts- let it finish on a good note.
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