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Post by swimming95 on Mar 23, 2011 18:31:21 GMT -6
That manga is still awesome Blue (jap. version) is SO COOL
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Post by panda on Mar 23, 2011 19:55:12 GMT -6
I remind you that these diary pages are assumed to have been written by Jessie's mother while excavating an icy mountain in search for Mew. What? Jessie exists neither in the Adventure comic, nor the video game (Yellow is considered non-cannon). Even in the cartoon, the Mewtwo movie shows Jessie and James watching a video made by the people who created Mewtwo and she never says 'OMG! MOM?!?!?!' Where do you get this? Also, these are the journal entries: bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pok%C3%A9mon_Mansion_journals^^^ Clearly shows that Mew was present at Mewtwo's birth. I'm not actually surprised you haven't heard of the story. The story only made appearance in the form of a Japanese CD drama audio story. Then some kind person decided to make an un-official english manga illustration of this CD drama. Can't remember who, but someone did. There's even artwork of some of the story in a booklet for the CD drama, Including Jessie's mother. You can even find the story somewhere on Bulbapedia. Here's a picture from the booklet showing Jessie's mother: 1. Mew was considered a myth by some, but others knew it existed. Probably the people who found it in South America knew it existed. 2. WTF are you talking about? They found Mew in a South American jungle. Who would freeze in a jungle? Wrong. The expedition team never found Mew in the South American jungle, but there were a few times when they could have done so. The only thing they did discover to complete their trip was finding a fossilised eyelash of Mew.
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Post by daveshn on Mar 23, 2011 21:03:20 GMT -6
Here's a picture from the booklet showing Jessie's mother: And a picture of her losing a photo of her dear daughter, while Mew is in the background: 1. Mew was considered a myth by some, but others knew it existed. Probably the people who found it in South America knew it existed. 2. WTF are you talking about? They found Mew in a South American jungle. Who would freeze in a jungle? Wrong. The expedition team never found Mew in the South American jungle, but there were a few times when they could have done so. The only thing they did discover to complete their trip was finding a fossilised eyelash of Mew. 1. Broken image is broken 2. Your stuff sounds like fandom. 3. bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pok%C3%A9mon_Mansion_journals^^^ Journal Entries.
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Post by panda on Mar 24, 2011 3:21:19 GMT -6
1. Fix'd the first image 2. It isn't. The only fandom stuff is the inspired manga. Proof is here: bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/The_Birth_of_Mewtwo3. I said the expedition team never found mew. The special that comes with the Mewtwo Returns DVD shows that they never find Mew, and the closest they get to see Mew is it's shadow. By the way, just to make things clear, both trips are seperate. The first being Jessie's mother's trip, and the second being the expedition team.
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Post by daveshn on Mar 24, 2011 3:50:25 GMT -6
1. Your image just shows a woman in a Rocket uniform. Nothing else. 2. As I told SJ, that's the cartoon. The cartoon breaks so many rules of pokemon that it might as well be a Digimon series. 3. bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pok%C3%A9mon_Mansion_journals Read the Feb. 6 entry. "Mew gave birth." They found Mew.
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Post by panda on Mar 24, 2011 4:22:13 GMT -6
1. That's Jessie's mother. I'd show you the other picture that broke but the damn thing won't load.
2. That's got nothing to do with it. The point is that "The Birth of Mewtwo" is a Japanese CD drama. The Manga itself is basically the same as the CD drama.
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This is the trip that they took that's described in the pages. Note they never find Mew, only see his shadow momentarily. And this is also part of the "Birth of Mewtwo" story.
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Post by Cogsworth on Mar 24, 2011 5:40:25 GMT -6
In the game universe they find Mew. In the anime (Where Pikachu is GOD!!) they only found an eyelash. Though, how they *know* it's an eye-lash of Mew without a point of reference is beyond me.
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Post by SeriousJupiter on Mar 24, 2011 5:45:28 GMT -6
Guys, please! You're both right. The Rocket scientists found Mew in the jungle in the games, and somehow made it give birth to Mewtwo.
In the anime, they found only the fossilized eyelash of Mew and used its DNA to create Mewtwo.
Edit: Ninja'd.
By the way, how can Mew give birth to Mewtwo, if it's genderless? Or do Mew actually have genders, and they're just really hard to distinguish, and the Rocket scientists were lucky enough to find a female?
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Post by Cogsworth on Mar 24, 2011 5:50:36 GMT -6
The thing I never understood is in the Pokemon Special, Red is talking to Green about Mew. She calls Mew the mysterious 151st pokemon. MEWTWO WASN'T EVEN COMPLETED YET!!!! it was still half formed within Team Rocket's Saffron base! Why does the clone get put before the original?
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Post by panda on Mar 24, 2011 5:58:11 GMT -6
The thing I never understood is in the Pokemon Special, Red is talking to Green about Mew. She calls Mew the mysterious 151st pokemon. MEWTWO WASN'T EVEN COMPLETED YET!!!! it was still half formed within Team Rocket's Saffron base! Why does the clone get put before the original? Because even though the Manga manages to mind screw people over the edge about stuff like this, the manga is loosly based on the games. Guys, please! You're both right. The Rocket scientists found Mew in the jungle in the games, and somehow made it give birth to Mewtwo. The Red/Blue Pokedex states that Mewtwo was an experiment scientists. Also I completely forgot about the genderless ordeal.
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Post by SeriousJupiter on Mar 24, 2011 6:05:13 GMT -6
Of course Mewtwo was an experiment. That doesn't mean that it could not have been born from Mew IN THE GAMES.
I said you're both right, Panda.
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Post by Cabi.net on Mar 24, 2011 12:06:06 GMT -6
Just to jump on the bandwagon, Panda, you do realise that you are asking a question about the games and retorting to other peoples comments with the anime, right? You are contradicting yourself.
SJ, I like to think that the reason why legendary pokemon are genderless is that there are so few of them, and they are so powerful, scientists canno study them properly.
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Post by daveshn on Mar 24, 2011 14:35:56 GMT -6
Mew can transform. It could transform into a form of itself with a womb. 1. That's Jessie's mother. I'd show you the other picture that broke but the damn thing won't load. 2. That's got nothing to do with it. The point is that "The Birth of Mewtwo" is a Japanese CD drama. The Manga itself is basically the same as the CD drama. 3. This is the trip that they took that's described in the pages. Note they never find Mew, only see his shadow momentarily. And this is also part of the "Birth of Mewtwo" story. 1. Even if it is, the game's the cannon. Jessie doesn't exist in them. 2. The journals are from the game. 3. Again, the cartoon isn't even consistent in the cartoon's universe. Their origin stories change all the time and don't even get me started on their physics.
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Post by panda on Mar 24, 2011 16:43:52 GMT -6
Just to jump on the bandwagon, Panda, you do realise that you are asking a question about the games and retorting to other peoples comments with the anime, right? You are contradicting yourself. SJ, I like to think that the reason why legendary pokemon are genderless is that there are so few of them, and they are so powerful, scientists canno study them properly. The point of the question was to point out that the anime was contradicting to the games, even though the games themselves are mostly saying the same things as the anime says.
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Post by Cabi.net on Mar 24, 2011 16:46:54 GMT -6
There is different canon between the anime and the games, As Dave said, things are so different between the anime and the games you cannot relate them both. It would be like comparing swiss cheese to cream. Yes they are both come from the same thing, but the are completely different.
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